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I have ordered a new GMC 2500 HD Crew cab standard bed with the factory installed RV prep package. Do I need a slider Hitch or can I use the standard fixed hitch withn my 2013 Redwood RV. I currently have a standard bed chevy with a fixed hitch and have no problems. Any GMC owners out there with experience would be helpful.

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Yes Dan you can use your stationary hitch with a 8 foot box. The only time you need a slider hitch is with a 6.5 foot box. Enjoy your new truck we have a new GMC but its a 1 ton.

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I have towed a 2011 Bighorn and our 2017 Redwood with a GM 3500 crewcab with a. 6.5 ft bed with no issues. I am careful when in a extreme tight turn situation but no problems since 2010.

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You do not need a slider hitch with the 6 1/2 foot bed in a GMC truck. The sculpted corners of the front of the redwood are designed so that you can make fairly tight turns without interference between the truck cab and the front cap. We have towed our redwood more than 40,000 miles and have not had any problems with the clearance between the cab and the front cap. Our truck bed is 6-1/2 ft.
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Depending on which RW you have, you may not have enough truck. Some RWs have a lot of pin weight & others have found that even with single rear wheel 1 tons that they were very overloaded on the rear axle.
Yes you can pull it, but can you stop it, carry ANY liquid in any of the tanks, or keep the front wheels on the ground.
Hate being a wet blanket but you may want to do your homework on the weight issues before you make a mistake costing $$$.

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That was my thought. I wouldn't be worried about the hitch. My 1 ton, F350 SRW was overloaded by 1200lbs with my 2014 38GK. I needed a dually to handle the payload. I had to bite the bullet and trade my 2012 truck for one that could handle the load. Cost me $$$.

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We also started with a 2012 F350 to tow our 2013 36FL. By packing light we were 50 lbs below max load on the rear axle. Even keeping the coach down at 15,500 lbs, with both of us, dogs and full fuel we were slightly over on Gross Combined.

We now have a 2016 F350 DRW and it is way more stable when towing.

Might want to rethink the truck. Yes, 3/4 tons will pull a RW, but in the event of an accident, your insurance is probably null and void.

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From what I have seen on all forums. When someone decides to tow with a 3/4 ton pickup you might as well save your breath and time to warn them. They are going to do it no matter how much data you offer to prove otherwise.
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mstan wrote: From what I have seen on all forums. When someone decides to tow with a 3/4 ton pickup you might as well save your breath and time to warn them. They are going to do it no matter how much data you offer to prove otherwise.

I totally agree, but in some cases there's a newbie that has listened to a salesman whose lips were moving & both parties don't have a clue & I feel obligated to try & warn them on checking numbers & never listen to any salesman. Then there's others that are totally confident that their 3/4 ton is more than enough truck to haul their 42' toy hauler full of toys, but have never ran across a set of scales.
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Agree

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We actually did it the right way for once. Since we were in a MH before we moved into the RW we had no truck. We purchased the RW and had it delivered and then did the research which led us to a used 2011 Ford F-350. Plenty of truck and loved it but Char wanted new so we moved into our current GMC and would never consider changing at this point. I have to say the exhaust brake is one of the best features.

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I guess we scared the OP clear off the forum, maybe he could/should comment at some point??

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Thanks for all the responses. Some were helpful and some were not but thanks to all.
In spite of it all and my 25 years RVing I still think I for one can gain insight from those that have had differing experiences.

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PS there is no such thing as a Redwood 34RL 2013. I think your signature is in error.
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How nice and safe it is on the road. Tundra towing a DS 36ftr'. Has slider hitch, 10ply tires, and air bags on truck. safety switch is disk brakes on the DS.
Glad he will be here till spring thaw in Indiana, We are here for the month at Meahar State Park @ Mobile, Al.

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dan1423@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have ordered a new GMC 2500 HD Crew cab standard bed with the factory installed RV prep package. Do I need a slider Hitch or can I use the standard fixed hitch withn my 2013 Redwood RV. I currently have a standard bed chevy with a fixed hitch and have no problems. Any GMC owners out there with experience would be helpful.



We have a 2015 RL-38 being towed with a 2016 GMC 3500 crew cab single rear wheel 4wd . With 100 gallons of water in the fresh tank and basic camping gear , no food and clothes. I went across a Cat scale and found my rear axel is 7050 max weight on the tag and scaled at 7400 lbs. Front axle on the truck scaled at 4990 ,the GM rating on my single wheel truck 5500 lbs. Most 2500hd have 4800 lbs rated front end so its very possible you be over weight front and rear with a 2500hd. In my case I am 100% sure I need a duel rear wheel one ton however I am going to put 19.5" tires on my truck and only pull it with 20 gallons of fresh water in the tank. The holding tanks are exactly half way from the hitch pin to the trailer axel center so roughly 300lbs will come off the hitch weight and some of my tools will have to go in the rare storage area in the coach from the front basement storage area. Air bags are a MUST on the rear axel if you deside to stick with the 2500hd , 265/70/18 tires are at MAX load or over weight slightly for sure. The 19.5" tire combo I am putting on my truck will increase my safety margin but as other have pointed out running overloaded in the DOT eyes is a VERY big deal. My 3500HD truck has a 25100 LB combined max combo truck and trailer , I am under that number by 700+ LBs . Yes do need a slider with a 6.6" bed (short bed)

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Good evening all. I'm a newbie. I am in the market for a RW 3901MB (1/2 bath) model. I'm trying to learn about towing. Can someone direct me to reliable sources of information on what is needed to properly outfit a truck? I'm interested in a Ford. I've heard about addons like RV or camper packages, lift kits, etc. Also what engine size, braking mechanism and other items are required to safely pull. I'm hoping there is some web site or book/pamphlet that provides good solid info.

I went to the Dallas RV show back in Sept. and a representative from Escapees said over 50% of the trucks (on the road today) are improperly match to their 5th wheels. I'm interested in doing this correctly and keeping my wife and myself safe.

I'd appreciate any good factual information the forum has. Thank you.

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Hi John and welcome to our group. You will get many opinions on towing, so brace yourself.

I'll give you my experience. The first truck we had was a 2012 F350 Ford crew cab short bed srw. Loved that truck and figured it would be all I'd need. We pulled the 36RL for about 8 months, never really had the warm fuzzy feeling. Added sway bars, airbags and had a good slider hitch. Had the rig weighed, individual wheels, and found rear axle and tires almost 850 lbs overweight. Someone got a very nice 9 month old truck with 10k miles. I got a F350 Dually that I love. If I was doing it now, I would get a F450 just for more weight capability. Ride is same if not better.

As for equipment, Diesel for certain, probably Crew Cab. Mine has the Camper package which gives you different springs on the rear and also has the snowplow prep which gives you some extra cooling capacity and heavier font springs. In any case you want to add Airbags for suspension control and spring for an onboard compressor and remote. Buy the best hitch you can. B&W makes an excellent one if you want a normal hitch, I'm partial to my Comfort Ride Hitch that is cushioned and adjustable. Also make sure the truck has the factory fifth wheel prep puck system for hitch mounting.

We also changed th suspension on th coach to a MorRyde IS and also have disc brakes and H rated tires. The result is that we have towed the rig over 33k miles with no issues and in comfort and safety. We are now fulltime in the coach and couldn't be happier with it.
There re quite a few other mods I've done to both the truck and coach for handling and comfort, feel free to PM me if you'd like more info.

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John, I concur with Vaughan.
Our older Glendale Titanium was pulled by a F-350 SRW diesel, I moved up to a 2011 F-450 Dualy diesel,that model is really a HD F-350, same as the older F-350 Tow Boss models, it has 17 inch tires compared to the later ones with 19.5 tires. When I bought it we wern't thinking about the Redwood 36RL that we now have, I'm glad that I bought "more truck" than I needed at that time.

I think that an F-350 Dually diesel (super cab or crew cab) with a tow package and the hitch prep should be fine, people will debate what axle ratio you should spec, I prefer a 4.10 to get a bit of extra capacity at the cost of a bit less fuel economy.

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Firstly, welcome to the Owner's Group, where you will find lots of owners and previous owners more than willing to share their experiences.

Our experience is also very similar to Vaughan. We started with a 2012 F350 CC SRW with a long box to pull our 2013 36FL. We travelled light, keeping the GVW to about 15,500 lbs and pin weight about 3,000 lbs. To achieve this we couldn't carry any FW. We were just within towing limits and rear axle load. We added air bags, which improved the ride. Probably competed 20,000 miles with this truck, with many miles being through the Rockies.

We now have a 2016 F-350 CC DRW with long box. I spent months debating on whether to go F-450, F-350 with tow package or the basic F-350 dually. At the time it was our only vehicle, so we opted for the better fuel economy of the basic F-350 dually. The towing specs easily handle our coach, however the turning circle is much wider than the other 2 options.

If we had the 2nd vehicle for driving around our sticks & bricks home, I would have opted for the F-450. The specs for the F-350 with towing package and F-450 are very similar, but the F-450, as a de-rated class 4 truck is vastly superior - in my opinion.

Highly recommend getting the Ford factory hitch prep. Installs and removes in seconds and leave a clear truck bed when removed.

On the coach, we upgraded to Centrepoint Suspension, which is a fair bit cheaper than the MOR/ryde IS option. Is it as good as the IS system, probably not, but it is a vast improvement on the factory system. We also completed about 25,000 miles on the factory electric brakes, with no problems. Have since upgraded to Disk Brakes, which are a significant improvement. Definitely recommend getting the factory disk brakes, or upgrading at the 2018 rally

The other system to consider is tires. Our coach was delivered with Marathon "E" tires, which we immediately upgraded to Goodyear "G" tires. At the 2018 rally we will further upgrade to 17.5" H-rated tires. I note the factory does install H-rated tires, but questions have been raised with their speed rating. Therefore, check both the load rating and speed rating of the tires, as having lots of reserve load capacity means nothing, if the tire is limited to about 60 mph.

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jdarwin wrote: Good evening all. I'm a newbie. I am in the market for a RW 3901MB (1/2 bath) model. I'm trying to learn about towing. Can someone direct me to reliable sources of information on what is needed to properly outfit a truck? I'm interested in a Ford. I've heard about addons like RV or camper packages, lift kits, etc. Also what engine size, braking mechanism and other items are required to safely pull. I'm hoping there is some web site or book/pamphlet that provides good solid info.

I went to the Dallas RV show back in Sept. and a representative from Escapees said over 50% of the trucks (on the road today) are improperly match to their 5th wheels. I'm interested in doing this correctly and keeping my wife and myself safe.

I'd appreciate any good factual information the forum has. Thank you.


John,
Not to start the truck storm, but ANY of the big. 3 DRW 1 tons are more than capable of handling these RWs.
As far as learning to tow these beast, just be careful & vigil of everyone else til you get a feel for it & find a large empty lot & practice.
Also welcome to the group.

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Thank you to everyone who responded. I didn't know there was a special setup for attaching a hitch. Also, I didn't know disc brakes were an option. I see I have a lot of learning in front of me.

Since I'm new I'll give you a little background. I'm looking to retire in 1-2 years. The wife and I are interested in becoming full timers. We want to boondock >50% of the time. We want our first trip to be to Alaska. Then follow the warm sun.

We looked at several other bath & 1/2 units and the RW seemed to have the most options we want. We plan to tour the plant this summer. I've sat in the 3901MB many times and really like the fit and feel. It's the truck that has me perplexed. I didn't know there were so many options and configurations.

I had a friend tell me about the tires. He bought a new Forest River about 1 1/2 yrs ago. His first trip from TX to NM he lost 2 of his cheap Chinese tires and had all four upgraded to Goodyears right on the highway. He also suggested I spend the money to attend an Escapees bootcamp. What do you guys think? Would it be worth the price (@ $450) or do you think there are other options in learning?

I see I'll be doing a lot of reading. I appreciate any and all advice. I know everyone's situation and preferences are different. So I believe everyone has something to offer. Thanks :)

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