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All of a sudden, I have had 3 ceiling led's burn out, 2 in the kitchen area, one in the living room. These are supposed to be 50,000 hour, 4 watt Led's. At $20-25 a piece, I'm getting concerned about them. I have 4 days to go on my 2 year warranty, so I'll check with Redwood.

I did a google search on the model # and found a thread on the other forum that discussed this bulb.
http://www.redwoodowners.com/forums/f11/question-parts-manual-2618.html

The replacement at Amazon is not the same manufacture or wattage.

Just wondering if there are others with the same issue?

Thanks,

Ken

 
Posted : January 30, 2016 5:26 PM
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We have replaced 5 of ours. The first 2 Redwood sent directly to us. The next 3 they sent to an "authorized repair facility" and we had to pick them up. We have little hope of them lasting 50,000 hours. But so far Redwood has taken care of it.

 
Posted : January 30, 2016 5:46 PM
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Posted : January 30, 2016 6:54 PM
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I have replaced 5 in the of use and just had 2 more go out.the new ones from Tiara have lasted 7 months so far. Worst part is you have to replace the whole fixture each time 👿

 
Posted : January 30, 2016 8:23 PM
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Posted : January 31, 2016 7:09 PM
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In our last SOB 5th Wheel, we had halogen lights in the ceiling that failing every week or two from the day we picked it up from the dealer, replaced all 39 of them with LEDs, did not have another failure in over 3 years up till the time we traded for our Redwood.

Been Fulltime in our Redwood 1 1/2 years now, not a single LED failure (knock on wood).

Plus the heat from the Halogen lights just makes the A/C work that much harder and we need all the A/C help we can get in the Southeast during the summer time.

Also our SOB 5er had glass lenses for the Halogens to take the heat, from time to time a lens would fall out during a move. In 1 1/2 years of taking our Redwood all over the country, we have not had any of the Plastic Screw on LED lens fall out !!

 
Posted : January 31, 2016 8:28 PM
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Greg,

In addition to voltage changes you also have to consider frequency shifts. On the ships we had to keep it within +/- 3 Hz lest we start to brown out to prevent damage. Frequency is really susceptible to load changes.

 
Posted : February 1, 2016 1:21 AM
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Ok, I am still in the 2 year warranty (till July), had my first ceiling LED Light go out today.

LEDs should have better life than that, even though we fulltime, having an LED fail in less than 2 years should not happen.

What is everybody's take on the best thing to do, try to get Redwood to send replacements or just go ahead and buy better quality LED Light Fixtures and start replacing them as they fail.

 
Posted : March 30, 2016 6:09 PM
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Rob
I have had 6 fail in mine and instead of has selling with warrenty just ordered new ones and some extras from Tiara. The new ones have a different led pattern to them and so far no issues. In 1 1/3 years first one let go at 6 mths and has been fine with the replacement for a year. The big ones are about 11.00 abfixture

 
Posted : March 30, 2016 6:18 PM
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Rob,
So here is an update since my original post:

Redwood covered the 3 bulbs. Just after the warranty expired, I had a 4th go out. I have had some time on my hands so I have tried several repairs to the 4th fixture.

The problem that I have run into is that the replacement bulbs I have been able to get my hands on (at a reasonable price) have been too dim and the wrong color. I have tried warm white, cool white and 2 bulbs in the same fixture. Nothing so far has proven to be satisfactory.

I have other sources I'm working on but have yet to find a 4w bulb that matches color and brightness.

Shane, did your replacements match color and brightness close to the OEM's?

Ken

 
Posted : March 30, 2016 6:30 PM
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Use they did
Problem is they seem to be same manufactor
Made in china. They have changed the led arrangement and time will tell if they are any better

 
Posted : March 30, 2016 7:02 PM
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Posted : March 30, 2016 7:33 PM
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GipCTravelers,

IMHO, you couldn't be more wrong about LED's. I belong to a RV club with over 16,000 members. One member sold LED replacements for years before they became common place in new models. With hundreds of rigs converted and thousands of bulbs in service, NONE have failed. Were talking about 6-7 years of service so far.

In fact, all of the incandescents that were in the Redwood, exterior lights, closet lights, storage lights, have been replaced with his LED bulbs in my rig. All perform perfectly, no heat, low wattage and perfect for us that boondock and need to conserve power.

Modern LED's have an LED driver built into the circuit that accommodate input wattage variables from 9-15 volts thus eliminating the problem found in early RV LEDS. The vibration of the modern LED has NEVER been an issue.

The problem is not the LED's but the particular source that Redwood uses. LED's are modern, proven technology that works perfectly in homes and RV's.

Sorry to disagree, but I think these issues were solved about 6-7 years ago.

Ken

 
Posted : March 30, 2016 9:19 PM
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We converted to LED's about two years ago. We have traveled over 20 thousand miles and have not had any failures. We ordered the LED's through Amazon.

Bob

 
Posted : March 30, 2016 11:05 PM
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Go back to this section (Utilities: Plumbing, Electrical and Propane) and you'll find plenty of previous discussions on LED...I still stand by my position as an electrician...The lamps are not ready for prime time market. Better get yourself a bunch of spares (at $10 - $20 a pop) if you don't like the dark...

LED's don't like heat, voltage drift or vibration (vibration breaks the solder joints).

Guess what you have especially in an RV???

In my previous SOB with Halogen Lights, I had bulbs failing within the first 90 days.

And yes they got real hot, they had glass lens on them that would fall out during travel, I found a lens on top of a slide box a number of times.
I always had to look to see if any lens had fallen off before opening the slides.
The LED Lens are plastic (due to the lower heat) and they screw on, have not had any lens on my Redwood fall off yet.

On our last SOB 5er after many Halogen failures in the first 6 months, I replaced all 39 Halogens with LEDs, in the next 2 1/2 years of fulltime use, never had another failure.

 
Posted : March 31, 2016 6:54 AM
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