On the electrical outlets we had a similar problem. If you take the face plate off you will find 2 screws that are attached to "wings" on the back, their job is to turn out and grab the thin paneling when you screw them down. One of our outlets was hard against a 1X3 wood stringer so one of the wings wasn't extended. If I recall correctly what I did was to back off on the screw enough so that the wing grabbed the stringer, I either did that or I notched the stringer. I think that the installer just didn't back off the screw enough so that the wing didn't go our over the stringer.

It was an easy fix.

On the water tanks I have had the residual water freeze over the winter (no A/F) on previous RV's and haven't had a problem and that's in Canada where it gets cold! Just make sure that as much water is taken out, it helps to run around the block with the FW valve open.

Thanks for your suggestions. The bummer side is that we are full-timing and really can't drain off. The cold front arrives tomorrow. Heading for 16 degrees. We'll be testing our full-timing capabilities.

Earlier, we got the Camco heat-traced water hose. It advertises to -20. We'll see. I put a little water in the tank. If the hose does freeze, we'll back up to the pump.

This will really test Redwoods claim to 4-Seasons...

I hope we haven't missed anything. I do know that the sheets are very cold when we climb in. We might have to break down and get an electric blanket to warm it up before crawling in. Seriously, I bet the sheets are cold as it outside!

I don't believe there is an RV made that is truly a "4-Seasons" coach. That is all marketing hype with "4-Seasons" being defined very loosely. We stayed in the Florida panhandle 4 years ago where temperatures were down in the 'teens at night and 30's to 40's during the day for several days. We stayed warm but went through 30 lbs of propane every 6 days.

Run your furnace (not heat pumps) and plan on using a lot of propane.

We wintered in the Tx panhandle a couple years ago & after refilling 30#ers weekly I rented a 100# bottle & it lasted about 7-8 weeks without refilling, definitely the plan if stationary for the winter.

We wintered in the Tx panhandle a couple years ago & after refilling 30#ers weekly I rented a 100# bottle & it lasted about 7-8 weeks without refilling, definitely the plan if stationary for the winter.

Danny..............our solution was to move from the Florida panhandle down south of Tampa near Palmetto, FL. It has only frosted once there in the past 3 years. :woohoo:

I agree Guy, last 3 years in Arizona & so far haven't refilled either 30#er since last March, but we don't use the cooktop, have 2 induction cookers & use the heatpump & portable heaters, this year we don't for electric. Told both our kids we'll have Christmas when see them in summer & fall.

There are still many places that fill by weight, so you only pay for what you use, vs paying by the tank.

I had a 30 lb. cylinder (completely empty) filled and a 20 lb. one topped up at a Tractor Supply (TSC) store for about $16 total for both, they fill by the gallon not by the cylinder. That's the best price I've seen here in the US.

THANKS AGAIN FOR THE MOST WONDERFUL SUGGESTION!!!!

Today, we were in town and while there, I drove by the tractor supply....Sure enough. Propane at $1.89 per gallon and the bottles are filled by the gallon. Not the cylinder!

Previous price at the propane distributor in town: $60 for (2) 40 lb bottles.

New price at tractor supply: $34.78

A net savings of $25.23. That's well worth the drive into the next town over (about 11 miles) 22 miles round trip would be 1.5 gallons of diesel to go round trip. I pay $2.19 a gallon so it would tack on $3.28 to the $34.78 for a total fill of $38.06 or $2.07 a gallon for propane. NOT $3.26 a gallon!

Right now, it's 2 bottles per week. A months supply would be $153 a MO. Add electric at $0.07 per KW ($45) and that's a total of roughly $200 a month. My electric bill alone at our sticks and bricks would have been well over that. Especially when adding in taxes and insurance! Once spring arrives, propane goes to nothing for 8 months. Going full time thus far has proven itself well in the finances department.

Glad to help you out!

When I tried to fill at Amerigas recently they couldn't fill (no one qualified to fill, they were out on calls) but told me they supply TSC and sent me there.

Glad to help you out!

When I tried to fill at Amerigas recently they couldn't fill (no one qualified to fill, they were out on calls) but told me they supply TSC and sent me there.

You get a double thank you Almcc... i posted another one to your account!

Just got back from filling up at Tractor Supply.

I weighed the cylinders before leaving:

1) 44.8 lbs / 3.5 gallons
2) 36.0 lbs / 1.42 gallons

Tractor Supply filled them.

1) 3.50 gallons + 5.7 gallons fill = 9.20 gallons (80% Max Fill)
2) 1.42 gallons + 7.5 gallons fill = 8.92 gallons (80% Max Fill)

They charged by the gallon. Not the cylinder.

13.2 gallons total = $24.95 (at $1.89 gallon)

Now, that's more like it!

They sell new 40 lb tanks by Manchester for $89.

They sell new 100 lb tanks for $132.

I'd like to use the 100 # cylinders but see the 40 lb'rs as heavy enough to deal with without a lift gate. In addition, they would be a pill to store while traveling from site to site. For now, we'll use the 20 lb BBQ cylinder as a backup when taking the other two to town for a fill. And HOPEFULLY, when we get on the road for good, we'll stay in moderate temps where we might need the propane that often!

While it was cold this morning, I did try the ole tried and true test... I poured a small amount of hot water down the side of the tank. It froze over at the tank level and remained warm about that level. After doing the math to verify, it was correct. In warmer climates, do the same thing and feel for where the tank temperature changes. To heck with yet another inaccurate gadget!